Both can be ordered from Nuccio's Nursery in Pasadena, CA. nucciosnurseries.com/
, other nurseries carry them too, but this is where I buy mine, and I highly recommend them. You cannot order from their website, so you will need to do it the old fashioned way, from a black and white paper catalog. If there is a Camellia Society show in your area, attend it and bring a note book and a digital camera, that's how I chose my list.
While visiting CA on business two February's ago, I attended a regional camellia show at Descanso gardens, and took note of my favorites. Later, I visited Nuccio's, ( a great location and nice people), and chose my plants. They packaged them and shipped them home. Later, I ordered the rest from their catalog. Use Google to look up the names, and you should do fine.
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